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Počalji od medigo taj Uto Mar 30, 2010 7:38 pm

Sve imaju svoje Standarde. Treba ih procitati i tu je odgovor. Svaka druga prica je nepotrebna. Sve se nalaze na netu i nijesu tajna.
Jos aku su Standardi prevedeni na sluzbeni jezik drzave u kojoj se izvodi obuka ronilaca bice svakom pismenom jasno o cemu se radi. To bi instruktori svojim studentima na OWD kursu trebali pojaniti kako ne bi bilo ovakvih tema ni pitanja. U tom slucaju OWD kurs ne kosta 100 ili 150 eura vec mal vise. Jos ako pohadjate OWD kurs u centru ili klubu koji vrsi obuku po standardima vise asociacija-federacija mocicete naci odgovor na ovo pitanja. Ukoliko izaberete klub i instruktora koji nijesu licencirani i krenete na kurs za prvu zvezdu po cijeni 100 ili 150 eura, pri tom ne dobijete kit za OWD kurs, vec samo lose kopiranu skriptu ili cesto nista onda se pojavljuje potreba za ovakvim pitanjem i odgovorom na njega. Pominjao sam u nekom od mojih postova Evropsku podvodnu federaciju i standarde koje ona propisuje. A ona je jasna. Zato je moja preporuka svima koji namjeravaju da se bave ronjenjem bilo u kom obliku neka se odluce za asociaciju-federaciju koja ima certifikat Evropske podvodne federacije. Isto tako savjetujem svima koji kupuju ronilacku opremu da pazljivo pogledaju ima li ozneku "CE" Evropski standard. Tu sigurno necete pogrijesiti.
Neminovno se namece piotanje ima li CEDIP i CMAS-SOPAS Certifikat Evropske podvodne federacije. Na izdatom brevetu-kartici trebala bi pisati Evropska norma EN 14153-1 i onda ste sigurni da ste sa validnim brevetom i da vam je investicija opravdana. To je ujedno i odgovor da OWD kurs mora kostati vise od 150 eura.

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Počalji od medigo taj Sre Mar 31, 2010 1:22 am

Pa lijepo ti pise da da standarde asocijacija za koje pitas postoje na netu, procitas i zakljucis...
Sto se tica razlika i to sam ti napisao, dok se standardi postuju nema razlike niucemu, a kad se krse razlike su ogromne...

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STO SI TI BRE DOSADAN SA ASOCIJACIJAMA , MI PRIPADAMO ASOCIJACIJI
SLOBODNIH RONIOCA , BEZ CMASA, SOPASA, PADIJA I OSTALIH SMARACKIH
NAZIVA , JOS SMARACKIJIH ASOCIJACIJA SA NADASVE SMARACKIM ,UCMALIM , SVEZNAJUCIM CLANOVIMA , UPRAVNIM ODBORIMA
I OSTALIM STAAARIM - CITAJ IZUZETNO STARIM I IZUZETNO ISKUSNIM RONIOCIMA , PRE KOJIH NIJE POSTOJALO RONJENJE , I POSLE KOJIH CE U TO SAM SASVIM SIGURAN ZAMRETI.

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djuro strugar-stari ::STO SI TI BRE DOSADAN SA ASOCIJACIJAMA , MI PRIPADAMO ASOCIJACIJI
SLOBODNIH RONIOCA , BEZ CMASA, SOPASA, PADIJA I OSTALIH SMARACKIH
NAZIVA , JOS SMARACKIJIH ASOCIJACIJA SA NADASVE SMARACKIM ,UCMALIM , SVEZNAJUCIM CLANOVIMA , UPRAVNIM ODBORIMA
I OSTALIM STAAARIM - CITAJ IZUZETNO STARIM I IZUZETNO ISKUSNIM RONIOCIMA , PRE KOJIH NIJE POSTOJALO RONJENJE , I POSLE KOJIH CE U TO SAM SASVIM SIGURAN ZAMRETI.

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Počalji od cole97 taj Sre Mar 31, 2010 3:12 am

medigo ::
Neminovno se namece piotanje ima li CEDIP i CMAS-SOPAS Certifikat Evropske podvodne federacije. Na izdatom brevetu-kartici trebala bi pisati Evropska norma EN 14153-1 i onda ste sigurni da ste sa validnim brevetom i da vam je investicija opravdana. To je ujedno i odgovor da OWD kurs mora kostati vise od 150 eura.
EN 14153-1

Competencies of a recreational scuba diver at level 1 – "Supervised Diver"
A scuba diver at level 1 – "Supervised Diver" shall be trained so that when assessed in accordance with clause 10 they are deemed to have sufficient knowledge, skill and experience to dive in open water under the direct supervision of a dive leader.
Scuba divers at level 1 – "Supervised Diver" are qualified to dive within the following parameters accompanied by adive leader:EN 14153-1:2003 (E)
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 dive to a recommended maximum depth of 12 m under the direct supervision of a dive leader, dive in groups of up to four level 1 scuba divers per dive leader provided the dive leader is capable of
establishing physical contact with all level 1 scuba divers at any point during the dive,
 make dives which do not require in-water decompression stops,
 dive only when appropriate support is available at the surface,
 dive under conditions that are equal or better than the conditions where they were trained.
If accompanied by a scuba instructor, a scuba diver at level 1 – "Supervised Diver" may gain progressive
experience beyond these parameters and develop competency in managing more challenging diving conditions
designed to lead to higher qualifications.
Where further instruction is required this can only be provided by a suitably qualified scuba instructor. Where only further experience is required, this may be supervised by a dive leader.
7 Required theoretical knowledge
7.1 Equipment
Students shall have an appropriate level of knowledge concerning the practical use of diving equipment items
according to 3.8.
7.2 Physics of diving
Students shall have an appropriate knowledge of the influence and effects of changing pressure in particular
regarding:EN 14153-1:2003 (E)
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 equalisation (e.g. ears and mask),
 breathing (not holding breath and effect of pressure on air consumption),
 buoyancy and how to control it.
7.3 Medical problems related to diving
7.3.1 General
Students shall have a basic knowledge of avoiding problems resulting from:
7.3.2 Direct effects of pressure
7.3.2.1 Increasing pressure (descent phase)
 gas compression (e.g. ears, sinuses, masks, lungs, suits, teeth)
7.3.2.2 Decreasing pressure (ascent phase)
 gas expansion (e.g. ears, sinuses, lungs, stomach, intestines, teeth)
 decompression illness (DCI) (e.g. decompression sickness, arterial gas embolism)
7.3.3 Other hazards
 physical and mental stress
 effects of temperature on the scuba diver
 medication, drugs, alcohol
7.4 Diving environment
Students shall have a basic knowledge concerning the local and general conditions of the diving environment and their possible effects on the scuba diver and the scuba diver's impact on the environment.
7.5 Scuba diver separation procedures
Students shall have knowledge concerning correct actions in the event of separation from the group or their buddy.
8 Required scuba skills
8.1 Confined water scuba skills
Students shall be able to demonstrate the following skills; each skill shall be mastered in confined water before that
skill is performed in open water:
 use of mask, fins and snorkel,
 diving equipment assembly and disassembly (at water's edge),
 entry and exit,
 mouthpiece clearing - snorkel and regulator,
 regulator/snorkel exchanges, swimming at the surface,
EN 14153-1:2003 (E)
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 proper descent and ascent procedures (e.g. equalising pressure in ears and mask),
 swim under-water,
 mask-clearing, including removal and replacement,
 under-water and surface buoyancy control,
 under-water regulator recovery,
 basic instrument monitoring,
 surface operation of the quick release of the weight ballast system,
 act as receiver of an alternative breathing gas source,
 equipment care,
 basic hand signals.
8.2 Open water scuba skills
Students shall be able to perform the following skills in conditions typical of the local environment:
 use of mask, fins and snorkel,
 diving equipment assembly and disassembly (at water's edge),
 entry and exit,
 mouthpiece clearing - snorkel and regulator,
 regulator/snorkel exchanges, swimming at the surface,
 proper descent and ascent procedures (e.g. equalising pressure in ears and mask),
 swim under-water,
 mask-clearing,
 under-water and surface buoyancy control,
 under-water regulator recovery,
 basic instrument monitoring,
 surface operation of the quick release of the weight ballast system,
 act as receiver of an alternative breathing gas source,
 equipment care,
 basic hand signals.
9 Practical training parameters
9.1 An open water dive shall comprise at least the following activities:
EN 14153-1:2003 (E)
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 briefing
 preparation to dive
 pre-dive checks
 entry into water
 descent procedures
 under-water activity
 ascent and surfacing procedures
 exit from water
 debriefing
 post dive procedures
 recording the dive
9.2 All under-water skills in confined water shall be taught, directly supervised and evaluated by a scuba
instructor, who shall be in the water during each session. The scuba instructor shall be in direct control of the students throughout all sessions.
9.3 Prior to the first open water dive the student shall effectively show proof of, or demonstrate, to a scuba
instructor the following skills, without the use of mask, fins, snorkel, or other swimming aids:
 50 m distance swimming,
 5 minutes survival swim/float.
9.4 Before participating in open water dives a student shall have demonstrated sufficient theoretical knowledge
and scuba skills in confined water to be able to perform the open water dives in the prevailing conditions.
9.5 The maximum depth during training dives shall not exceed 12 m.
9.6 All open water dives shall be conducted in water that allows direct vertical access to the surface. Open water
dives therefore shall not be conducted in under-water caves, inside wrecks or below ice.
9.7 During open water dives the student shall at least be equipped with diving equipment according to 3.8.
9.8 All under water skills in open water shall be taught, directly supervised and evaluated by a scuba instructor of level 2. The scuba instructor shall be in the water and in charge of each open water dive.
The safe supervision of students is solely the scuba instructor’s responsibility. The scuba instructor shall limit
student the number of students per scuba instructor where environmental conditions are less than ideal, for
example where underwater visibility is poor or there is significant water movement. The scuba instructor may also use additional aids to improve safety such as ascent lines, surface support stations or safety scuba divers. Where safety scuba divers are used they shall have an appropriate level of rescue competency of at least level 3 – Dive Leaders according to EN 14153-3.
9.9 The scuba instructor shall limit the number of students on open water dives so that either the scuba
instructor or a safety diver is able to establish physical contact with every student at any time during the open water dive.
9.10 The scuba instructor shall cancel or abort the open water dive if environmental conditions, equipment
problems or a student’s physical or mental condition make this necessary.
EN 14153-1:2003 (E)
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10 Assessment
10.1 Knowledge
The student shall demonstrate to a scuba instructor knowledge of scuba diving by taking and passing an oral or
written examination as prescribed by a training organisation. This examination shall test scuba diver level 1
theoretical knowledge according to clause 7 and knowledge of scuba skills according to clause 8 (see annex A for an explanatory example).
10.2 Scuba Skills
The student shall satisfactorily demonstrate to a scuba instructor, the scuba skills according to clause 8 (see annex
A for an explanatory example).
Students to be certified shall complete at least two qualifying open water dives according to 9.1 under the direct supervision of a scuba instructor. The underwater duration of each of these two qualifying openwater dives shall be at least 15 min.

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Počalji od SRDJAN taj Sre Mar 31, 2010 5:24 am

Pa standardi i program obuke, mislim da je malo teze to uporedno napisati, druga stvar, CMAS ima minimum standarda na koji nacionalni savez dodaje svoje naknadno, tako da ces skoro u svakoj zemlji naci razliku u CMAS-ovim standardima, konkretno kod nas je UZOR merodavan, procedura je da je pre usvajanja poslat u CMAS koji ga je odobrio, a potom ga Skupstina SOPAS-a usvojila, to znaci da SOPAS ima svoj standard sto mnogi ne shvataju. E sad to sto nije EUF to je vec druga strana medalje, ali bi trebali da se potrudimo da se UZOR osavremeni kako bi dobio isti, posalje u CMAS na verifikaciju, a zatim usvoji.

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Počalji od SRDJAN taj Sre Mar 31, 2010 6:01 am

Ovde mozete videti i sistem obuke


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Počalji od medigo taj Sre Mar 31, 2010 6:34 am

Jeli to UZOR..... cyclops

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Počalji od SRDJAN taj Sre Mar 31, 2010 6:43 am

Imam i njega u elektronskoj formi, kao sto sam i obecao na Skupstini SOPAS-a, poceo sam sa izradom svih dokumenata u elektronskoj formi kako bi isti bili dostupni svim roniocima na sajtu SOPAS-a

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Počalji od medigo taj Sre Mar 31, 2010 7:05 am

Oce biti dostupni svi dokumenti ili ?????

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Počalji od SRDJAN taj Sre Mar 31, 2010 7:20 am

Samo oni osnovni, pa ne mislis valjda da cemo praviti online bazu podataka Very Happy Very Happy ako pitas zbog Bleska, te dokumentacije nema nigde, nikada nije ni postojala u SOPAS-u.

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"Headquartered in Colorado, USA, SSI training facilities are in particular abundance in North America and South East Asia."

U medjuvremenu je doslo do promene vlasnicke strukture.

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Tacno tako, CMAS izvorni standardi, ali je poprilicna razlika u odnosu na SOPAS to jest na UZOR.

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BRAVO cole97, kako god da se zoveš... prestigao si me u par minuta... ili desetina minuta...

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